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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn contributor. does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what t
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a predicate and is this a priority. that's not clear until you trace this for awhile and get to petraeus, and the question i'm raising is why, what was the predicate, why did they pursue it. >> once it gets to petraeus, tom, and i want your expertise here, what would happen? because i would imagine as soon as they realized david petraeus is involved, there must be a whole series of hoops they have to jump through or markers they have to hit. >> once they identified paula broadwell as the sender of the messages to kelley, then they subpoena the rest of her records and they see an exchange of anony
see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a...
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why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then would this all have happened. that's sort of the cleopatra's nose theory. if she had an ugly nose, would history have been different. that's an interesting question to discuss but i don't think it's a fundamental one. >> this revelation that apparently the investigation was concluded four days before the election clearly somebody has decided, whoever that may be and i'm sure we'll find out in the forms of time, that the information should not be passed to the white house, although i share your concern about the white house's blanket denial they
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fbi failure. the fbi investigated the petraeus affair beginning with fears the cia's director's e-mail had been hacked at the beginning of the summer. yet lawmakers and the president were not told about it for six months, until after the election. under growing pressure and criticism, the fbi will be testifying on its role in the scandal. they'll go behind closed doors with members of the house intelligence committee demanding to who knew what and when they knew it. suzanne kelly. what are lawmakers going to find out? >> well, they're going to have some meetings tomorrow on the hill that are going to come before hearings open thursday. and michael morell, acting director of the cia and sean joyce will be involved in these meetings. they'll be asked a lot of questions about what they knew about the petraeus investigation, when they knew it, and why they didn't come forward. a couple things at play here, erin. one is, keep in mind, the fbi itself has said very little about this case so far. publicly
fbi failure. the fbi investigated the petraeus affair beginning with fears the cia's director's e-mail had been hacked at the beginning of the summer. yet lawmakers and the president were not told about it for six months, until after the election. under growing pressure and criticism, the fbi will be testifying on its role in the scandal. they'll go behind closed doors with members of the house intelligence committee demanding to who knew what and when they knew it. suzanne kelly. what are...
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of that fbi team to republican staffers on capitol hill. all of that is still preliminary at this point, but certainly the next days are going to bring additional questions as to when officials started to learn how high up this went, how high up in the fbi and the justice department did that investigation go in terms of authorizing the examination, the e-mails, and why, for instance, director clapper didn't know earlier and why perhaps the president was not briefed earlier on this. >> all right. rajiv chandrasekaran. appreciate your time this morning. from "the washington post." we thank you. >>> today we honor veterans on this day. parades and services are held across the country to remember all chose who served. don't forget to thank them for their extraordinary sacrifices today. >>> president obama will pay tribute to them later this morning. he'll lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at arlington national cemetery. a familiar challenge for the folks in washington, how to fix the u.s. economy. with just 51 days until the so-ca
of that fbi team to republican staffers on capitol hill. all of that is still preliminary at this point, but certainly the next days are going to bring additional questions as to when officials started to learn how high up this went, how high up in the fbi and the justice department did that investigation go in terms of authorizing the examination, the e-mails, and why, for instance, director clapper didn't know earlier and why perhaps the president was not briefed earlier on this. >> all...
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>> why was the fbi involved? this was based on a tip, right? >> yeah, yeah. we were told that a u.s. official confirmed to cnn that the investigation was that he was having an affair with paula broadwell. she, of course, is the person who wrote the biography about him. cnn has not been able to reach out to her and we take great pride in reaching out to every side of the story. we cannot tell you this is the woman he was having the affair with. no suggestion if the fbi was investigating wrongdoing on petraeus petraeus' part but putting himself in a vulnerable position of an affair. someone who might put themselves in a private position that could lend them to be vulnerable to exploitation later is a very serious concern here. >> sounds like they were worried about classified information, possibly. what about benghazi? petraeus was supposed to testify before the senate intelligence committee next week. does this have anything to do with the hearings coming up, do you think? >> the honest is, i really don't think so. if the administration really needed a fall gu
>> why was the fbi involved? this was based on a tip, right? >> yeah, yeah. we were told that a u.s. official confirmed to cnn that the investigation was that he was having an affair with paula broadwell. she, of course, is the person who wrote the biography about him. cnn has not been able to reach out to her and we take great pride in reaching out to every side of the story. we cannot tell you this is the woman he was having the affair with. no suggestion if the fbi was...
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not to mention the midnight fbi raids and shirtless fbi agents. what's going on here? and will anyone face charges? one is for a clean, wedomestic energy future that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas......
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number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information nueva leone they belie unless they believe there's a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the appropriate moment. >> representative, do you agree with that? especially given that it was om this week that the fbi went to mrs. broadwell's home, boks of mag, some of which is classifieded? >> no, i would totally disagree. general petraeus was the head of the cia. he wasn't running the fish and wildlife department. there is a duty under the law to inform the ranking and chairman of house and senate intelligence. that is to deal with every investigation. and with national security be compromised? perhaps it would. i think that should go to the level of the pres
number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information nueva leone they belie unless they believe there's a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the...
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when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on harassing e-mails. >>> new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott, the florida couple caught up in the scandal. they started a cancer charity back in 2005, shortly after they moved to tampa, they dissolved it a couple of years later and they are facing several money drops. what have you learned? >> another twisted part of the tale. public records show as jill kelley was entertaining top military brass in her backyard, she and her husband, scott del kelley, were battling a bank in court because the bank says they weren't paying their mortgage. the red brick house we've been showing on tampa's exclusive bay shore drive, purchased in 2004 for 1$1.5 million. four years later, regions bank filed to foreclose on the kell kelleys, because the bank said they hadn't sent in a mortgage pay
when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on harassing e-mails. >>> new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott, the florida couple caught up in the scandal. they started a cancer charity back in 2005, shortly after they...
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in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he passed on the concerns to robert mueller. now, on november 2nd, the fbi said there's tho evidence petraeus committed a crime and they rule out charges, then it is election day when james clapper is first informed of the investigation. at 5:00 eastern standard time. he called petraeus and advised him to resign. it wasn't until after the election the president was notified and on november 9th, friday, he accepted the resignation. house and senate bell where she knows leaders are then informed. bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi in
in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he...
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., he was assassinated making an undercover drug buy working with the fbi. and that was the turning point for me. it made me really see how violent our community had become because of the prohibition of drugs like marijuana. and it's time -- >> are you in favor of legalizing all drugs? >> oh, absolutely. we have to get it away from criminal hands. our communities have become so violent because we turned the management of drugs in our communities over to criminal gangs. our neighborhood gangs, the cartel, you know, the u.s. department of justice said just a couple of years ago that the cartel were operating in 230 communities in our country. today, they reported that it's over 1,000. it's not getting any better. putting money in the hands of criminal gangs and organizations so that they can enter into other criminal enterprise. look at mexico. over the past five to six years they had over 60,000 of their citizens murdered by the cartel. 10,000 citizens still missing. thousands of orphans who were being recruited by the cartel to carry on the criminal business
., he was assassinated making an undercover drug buy working with the fbi. and that was the turning point for me. it made me really see how violent our community had become because of the prohibition of drugs like marijuana. and it's time -- >> are you in favor of legalizing all drugs? >> oh, absolutely. we have to get it away from criminal hands. our communities have become so violent because we turned the management of drugs in our communities over to criminal gangs. our...
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but it's unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date. it seems this has been going on for several months and yet now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: among other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner. the house and senate intelligence committees weren't informed until friday. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> reporter: not everyone on the hill was totally in the dark. house majority leader eric cantor said an fbi employee told him about petraeus' affair and a possible security breach in october. after the investigation had begun. a u.s. official says that the general's communications were never compromised and he was never the target of the investigation. another issue, petraeus stepped do
but it's unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date. it seems this has been going on for several months and yet now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: among other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner. the house and senate intelligence committees weren't...
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when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> she introduced here's to david petraeus. she was a pair trooper. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but it's a very strange and completely surprising. >> it is and i'll leave it with this, that paula broadwell just published this week, general david petraeus' rules for living. we all make mistake, learn from them, drive on and avoid making them again. next, we have more on the resignation. peter king, the chair of the homeland security committee with how it could put the u.s. at risk. plus, after spending millions to elect mitt romney, has karl rove lost his touch? a look at all the money spent and wasted this election and it has been nearly two weeks since san
when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> she introduced here's to david petraeus. she was a pair trooper. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but...
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the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and telling the staff that he had gone to the white house on thursday and asked president obama to accept his resignation. on friday during a phone call, the white house says the president did accept petraeus' resignation, throwing his national security team into flux just days after the election. by the time david petraeus got his first taste of real combat, he was a 50-year-old major general. in 2003, he commanded the 101st airborne during its march on baghdad. it was in iraq that he rhetorically asked a reporter, tell me how this ends, suggesting trouble the u.s. would have there in later years. there he
the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and...
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i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so maybe the president will put some of those things to rest tomorrow. but the fbi really hasn't come out and said much at all so a lot of the information that's been coming out about this case has been through leaks and anonymous sources. >> i think the reason the fbi is not saying anything is because this is going to be deeply embarrassing when we get to the bottom of it. thank you both very much. >>> i want to turn to a member of general petraeus' inner circle, his former spokesman, colonel steve boylan. colonel, thank you for joining me. when did you last speak to david petraeus? >> i spoke with
i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so...
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did it contribute to releasing the fbi investigation about his affair? we just don't know now. >> suzanne what do you make of that? there is a lot of chatter about benghazi? >> i push back a little bit. i take a very cautious approach about the benghazi effort. the person sitting in the hot seat and will aanswer the questions will be mike morrow, and he's been very closely involved in the investigation from the beginning, putting together the cia's timeline and whatnot. the president, if he really needed a fall guy for benghazi, it would have happened before the election. someone to sort of say, i messed up. i don't think we've seen any strong evidence yet that the cia makes such fatal mistakes in benghazi, that someone had to take a fall like this. so significant, you really have to have a strong body of evidence to prove something like that. >> the question of the timing is really interesting. i just -- if this investigation has been going on for a long time and we don't know, but it's hard to believe that the administration, that the white house would
did it contribute to releasing the fbi investigation about his affair? we just don't know now. >> suzanne what do you make of that? there is a lot of chatter about benghazi? >> i push back a little bit. i take a very cautious approach about the benghazi effort. the person sitting in the hot seat and will aanswer the questions will be mike morrow, and he's been very closely involved in the investigation from the beginning, putting together the cia's timeline and whatnot. the...
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what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting criminal investigations to the white house and others actually stem way back to the watergate scandal. an investigation back then uncovered abuses and mistakes and the justice department has since made changes. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! reminds me of our network before cdw virtualized it. how
what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting...
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earlier i asked why would the fbi investigate cia e-mails. >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threat another person, so that's where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet and since they're coming in to someone working at cia headquarters and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and investigate the threat. >> okay, so the big concern here then, that an outsider could have access quite simply to sensitive information and intelligence. >> well, that's the concern, when it starts, but when you look into that, in the cia or fbi headquarters or any of the intel agencies, often you have dual computer systems to that you can receive outside e-mails because someone might send a complaint over the public internet service providers, and then of course you have the classified e-mail systems internally, and they're completely separate, but the fact that someone's receiving a threat at that level, they have to investigate and look at the nature of the t
earlier i asked why would the fbi investigate cia e-mails. >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threat another person, so that's where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet and since they're coming in to someone working at cia headquarters and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and investigate the threat. >> okay, so the big concern...
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you served a long career in the fbi. you have a shirtless fbi agent, his picture circulating out there. he was involved, apparently, in some way in getting this information publicly. how does this impact the murail of the fbi men and women? >> the fbi agents in particular were not happy about the characterization of the shirtless agent and the pictures that went out. it's been established that picture was sent a long time ago, had nothing to do with this, and it was a joke on the part of that agent who had this picture taken in between two dummies and make it look like he was a target at the range, and he sent it to a number of people including the media. >> the fbi has really been amazing over these past few decades. since the sordid days of j. edgar hoover in rebuilding its reputation. an incident like this could have a negative impact. >> it could but it won't. the agents should not have got outside of the fbi. that's why these protocols exist. that's why the white house wasn't notified, because of what happened decad
you served a long career in the fbi. you have a shirtless fbi agent, his picture circulating out there. he was involved, apparently, in some way in getting this information publicly. how does this impact the murail of the fbi men and women? >> the fbi agents in particular were not happy about the characterization of the shirtless agent and the pictures that went out. it's been established that picture was sent a long time ago, had nothing to do with this, and it was a joke on the part of...
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bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of the cia and having worked closely with the intelligence committees, you know, i believe there is a responsibility to make sure they're informed. did they handle this correctly? >> no. somebody dropped the ball. you never blind side the president. when a senior official in his administration under investigation when e-mails are being read, you inform the white house at a very high level. national security adviser. his council. even the president himself. you always do that. it's a standing protocol inside the federal government. never blindside the president. as far as i've se
bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of...
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and then there is the serious parter the fbi. en toless rogue agent manages to set off a series of convenients. >> and he was a friend of jill kelley who toppled this investigation. >> this is huge. and do we want the fbi to have an agent who's able to do this in a series of actions? >> and there's still questions, serious questions about the fbi procedures in this. if indeed they concluded early on that there was no national security or criminal issue here, then why didn't it stop right there? >> and why did director claerp -- >> why did it become public? i'd like to know. >> why didn't director james clapper at that point say there is no reason to resign. >> oh. you're saying why didn't he say that. he's the white house official who essentially pushed petraeus out. let's come back to the media coverage. sigh these stories as an attempt to keep the story alive. jill kelley visited the white house three times. once was a tour and once when she had lunch with a low level official. even things that are technically true, with they'r
and then there is the serious parter the fbi. en toless rogue agent manages to set off a series of convenients. >> and he was a friend of jill kelley who toppled this investigation. >> this is huge. and do we want the fbi to have an agent who's able to do this in a series of actions? >> and there's still questions, serious questions about the fbi procedures in this. if indeed they concluded early on that there was no national security or criminal issue here, then why didn't it...
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>> and susan, you said we don't know how long the fbi was investigating. do we know the obama administration knew about this before the election? >> no, but wouldn't we all love to know the answer to that. that really is a burning question. it's just days after the election and something like this comes out. but clearly, something like this had been going on for a while. it wasn't -- you know, it's not likely that a couple days after the election, general petraeus had sort of a crisis of conscience and decided this is the time now for me to come clean on everything. which also makes you wonder, did other people know about this, and was there a possibility they could have used this against him or to blackmail him in any way? that would have spoken directly to his ability to hold a security clearance and protect those secrets as well, anderson, so lots of unanswered questions, but i'm told more will be coming out in the coming days. >> i guess oert questithe other did the administration, if they did know about it, decide not to let this be announced before t
>> and susan, you said we don't know how long the fbi was investigating. do we know the obama administration knew about this before the election? >> no, but wouldn't we all love to know the answer to that. that really is a burning question. it's just days after the election and something like this comes out. but clearly, something like this had been going on for a while. it wasn't -- you know, it's not likely that a couple days after the election, general petraeus had sort of a...
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willinger says that's enough for the fbi to take it further. the fbi hasn't commented furtherer. an official says it was appropriate to investigate. >> does the fbi routinely investigate these harassing e-mails? >> the fbi is devoting more time these days to investigating cyber harassment cases, cyber stalking cases. he says they don't go after one on one cases that are less threatening, mildly threatening, which this appears to be. he says clearly there's something more here. he believes information about comings and goings that paula broadwell sent sparked the investigation and he said there were grounds to do that. >> brian, thanks very much. >>> if a top general has an affair, is it a crime under military law? the answer might be yes. is it time for a refresh you er course from the top down? more in the "the situation room." ♪ [ gordon ] for some this line is a convenience. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every day nearly nine million older americans don't have enough to eat. anything else? no
willinger says that's enough for the fbi to take it further. the fbi hasn't commented furtherer. an official says it was appropriate to investigate. >> does the fbi routinely investigate these harassing e-mails? >> the fbi is devoting more time these days to investigating cyber harassment cases, cyber stalking cases. he says they don't go after one on one cases that are less threatening, mildly threatening, which this appears to be. he says clearly there's something more here. he...
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i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing related to kelly, this becomes the fbi's cyber division is concerned that petraeus's private e-mail is hacked in to. that's why they continue this and the crime they're looking at. this is a red herring about harassment of jill kelly, a private citizen and a social liaison. ludicrous. that's not a predicate. >> do you think they overstepped that? >> go ahead, tom. >> determination would be made that, you know, what's the content of these messages? they would take that to the u.s. attorney's office and determine whether or not this might b
i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing...
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that individual went to the fbi in the pursuit of that review of that threat. they came upon access to e-mails of mr. petraeus. and with this individual. and their concern maybe that his personal e-mails had been hacked and therefore the possibility of a security threat. and i think that if that is the sequence of events that's perfectly understandable. obviously, you know, there was a discussion between jim clapper and petraeus and there was a decision by general petraeus that it was in his best interests of himself, the agency, and his family to resign. so unless something else comes out i think it's pretty clear. i don't see a conspiracy behind every curtain as some of my colleagues do. >> okay. senator, let me turn to the so-called fiscal cliff, which now we're looking at through the prism of what just happened in the elections. as far as you're concerned, is there a mandate that came out of this election that taxes should be raised on the wealthy? that seems to be what democrats are arguing. >> i think there are two mandates. number one is the electorate w
that individual went to the fbi in the pursuit of that review of that threat. they came upon access to e-mails of mr. petraeus. and with this individual. and their concern maybe that his personal e-mails had been hacked and therefore the possibility of a security threat. and i think that if that is the sequence of events that's perfectly understandable. obviously, you know, there was a discussion between jim clapper and petraeus and there was a decision by general petraeus that it was in his...
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when the president talked about the fbi has a protocol. they followed it but clearly it didn't make its way up to the president. still questions about why this investigation began whether it was appropriate for the fbi to investigate this. fran townsend, appreciate it. there is new information on jill kelley and her husband scott. they started a charity and dissolved it later. >> drew joins me, what have you learned? >> another twisted part of this tale. as jill kelley was entertaining top military brass in her backyard she and her husband were battling a bank and court because the documents show the red brick house that we have been showing purchased in 2004 for $1.5 million four years later the bank files to foreclose on the kelly's because the bank says they hadn't sent in a mortgage payment since september 2009. the kellkelleys show they are n other lawsuits involving money and the kelley family. >> what about the charity? >> it was called the dr. kelley cancer foundation. it was to conduct research and efforts of term ali ill patients
when the president talked about the fbi has a protocol. they followed it but clearly it didn't make its way up to the president. still questions about why this investigation began whether it was appropriate for the fbi to investigate this. fran townsend, appreciate it. there is new information on jill kelley and her husband scott. they started a charity and dissolved it later. >> drew joins me, what have you learned? >> another twisted part of this tale. as jill kelley was...
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>> i refer you to the fbi. they have as i understand it, protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branchs of the investigations. and you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general patreaus until wednesday and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi's a place to guy in terms of explanation of the protocols they follow. i understand that is the answer that they will give, that there are protocols they follow that govern how they inform the various branchs of government of the investigations. >> do you think people think it's utterly bizarre, the day after the election and anger on capitol hill? the time, at least the appearance? >> look, all i can tell you is, when the white house was informed and i would let the relevant members of congress explain to you how and when they were informed. my understanding is there are protocols the fbi follows with regards to these notifications and i would refer yo
>> i refer you to the fbi. they have as i understand it, protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branchs of the investigations. and you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general patreaus until wednesday and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi's a place to guy in terms of explanation of the protocols they follow. i understand that is the answer that they will give, that...